Death Valley
We are Orthodox Christians right. So to say no one could have been chosen in Christ before time began because they did not exist is nonsense. (Eph2:12) and (Eph2:19) We now have the rights, privileges, etc… of the Kingdom of Heaven, the Theocracy of Christ. The very world he knew would be full of suffering, pain an sorrow due to sin, evil and wicked actions that God in His Eternal Infinite Perfect Foreknowledge knew would be before he created. For speaking against Calvin’s ideas. Non-chosen people can become chosen by faith (Rahab, Ruth, many others). . But, as stated before, I choose to agree to disagree with Robert on this issue even though I believe he’s not grasping what I’m saying. Works does nothing. Richard’s article clearly spells out the differences between Traditionalists and Calvinists, but I also wanted to draw our attention to the problem within the ranks of Calvinism. Have you ever considered the TYPE AND SHADOW of Joseph and his BRETHREN with Jesus and the Jews? Cross referenced with the KJV (no, I’m not a KJV onlyist, but I do believe it is the purest and truest english translation). How does your order work? This is true. I’m simply appealing to you to stop using the term “heresy”. Remember Paul said, “…it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God…” -Galatians‬ ‭2:20‬ ‭ Thanks so much to all and God bless. Not only do we use it out of context, we also use it to try to coerce God into doing what we ask simply because we have gathered the requisite number of people to ask it. 4 I always thank my God when I pray for you, Philemon, 5 because I keep hearing about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all of God’s people. He DETERMINED to create this very Universe we are living in now with all that happens whether evil or good. You can say they were a ‘type’ all you want…. However, the choice to separate them from the other nations is not the same choice of separating the elect from the the non-elect and making them “blameless”. Gal. It also discusses SIN. Revelation 13:3,4,14,15 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast…, Revelation 3:5,20 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels…. When speaking to others that claim to be followers of Christ, it’s ok to admonish them to repent of a false doctrine, as long as it’s done respectfully and lovingly. The question as to when names were written in the book of life. The “grammar” indicates that this book was ALREADY WRITTEN. Well a change of mind I guess. I think “from” and “before” are trying to discuss the same concept. From pros and a probable derivative of kuon; to fawn or crouch to, i.e. Yes, indeed, we do know all the 40-50 passages and verses that you might cite. I could amplify and expand on the Verses of God’s Eternal Infinite Perfect Knowledge but do not feel the need to do so because I believe Mr. Kemp is on the same page. His Will of Command i agree with you he dosent always get what he wants! Abraham found that he was justified by faith without the deeds of the law, here in this life. In either case, your claim, or mine, still disproves Calvinism. 22:6) is generally true and wise to heed. It did not exist before creation. “From” is teaching a timely salvation we experience in this life. Revelation 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Did you realize that Abraham was married to his sister? If you had the “P” from TULIP, or the ES, or OSAS were true, why would there be SO MANY warnings of self deception leading to soul death? I know this is a hard doctrine to accept because it goes against our flesh because we want some say-so in our eternal destiny. Sometimes we employ a verse as a promise because we want God to act a certain way. Also not true, I am using the terms according to their NT usage. Did God tell him? Flowers, as he was a guest debater on a podcast. 2) He chooses them BEFORE Creation Great post! See verse 13. These same teachers/leaders are interpreting Scripture as it appeals and soothes their flesh. This is why Paul also warns here again, “DO NOT be partakers with them.”. The only place that we may get the idea of a book of death is out of Revelation 20:12. The first thing that you need to realize is that v.4 begins with “just as.” That is critical, but you will see it as superficial, which again I would attribute to poor reading comprehension skills on your part. Even Jesus states that they were seeking something…. Good News Translation (GNT) “And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been GRANTED [GIVEN] him from the Father.” -John‬ ‭6:65‬ ‭, “For to you it has been GRANTED for Christ’s sake, not only TO BELIEVE in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,” Who both adhere to the attribute of God’s Eternal Infinite Exhaustive Perfect Foreknowledge. By obeying Christ. We have become part of Spiritual Israel. Nah… It never says anything about “giving her faith”. All of God’s children are part of the 1st election, but not all are part of the second election. Then they are a candidate for baptism. So many treasures in God’s Word helping us make correct decisions throughout the day! I want to thank you and encourage you in that! Good evening Ev! 9:26; 1 Pet. Get ready for the new normal for the young YRRs. “God is not referring to national Israel in Ephesians 1:4. While we can’t lose our eternal home in heaven through disobedience. It actually says that a saved person cannot reject Christ and apostatize from the faith. I’ve noticed several passages in the ESV that seem to have been translated with a Reformed bias. I am the Lord, and there is no other; 7 I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things.’. Sad but true. I believe all of Gods children were elected “before” the foundation of the world, to be holy and without blame before him in love. I believe you’re saved and I believe I’m saved. But I’m sure you know this because the verse is very clear grammatically.


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